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Date: 3 Nov 1994 17:41:05 -0800
From: rwilkins@ccnet.com (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Subject: NoCal OO goes after Packet BULLetins
Steve Wolf (sww@csuohio.edu) wrote:
: But is is broadcasting none the less.
: I think it was Todd Little that that quoted the definition of broadcasting.
: From Part 97.3(a) ... (10) ... Broadcasting - Transmissions intended for
: reception by the general public, either direct or relayed.
: Clearly, a BBS phone port with a annonymous check-in allows the public access
: to relayed transmissions. There are LOTS of phone ports that allow
: anonymous check-ins.
: So, originators of bulletins which are sent by any means to a BBS that has
: a public phone port that are not about amateur radio would fall under
: broadcasting.
: Broadcasting does not require a one-way transmission. It would appear that
: an ax.25 connection between two stations can still be use for broadcasting.
: (Bet we are going to move on and say that a bulletin about quilting was
: targeted solely at the amateur population. Let me guess ... ANY bulletin
: entered on packet is to be assumed to be aimed solely at the amateur radio
: population.)
I can't tell if I am a victim of dry Cleaveland humor or you are truly
serious...
In the event you are serious in your interpretations of the rules, do you
plan to close down your operations on tcp/ip and public pbbs stations?
Following your logic even a personal third party message in transit
through your stations that could be seen by a non-amateur scanner
enthusiast with a tnc would then be considered broadcasting. Many members
of the All Ohio Scanner Club use tncs for entertainment and information
gathering. Since it is your station that is being received by the public.
why is the originating station in California guilty of Broadcasting?
I hope you never have to provide emergency message service to the public
during a disaster. Many amateur groups set up packet stations at Malls to
provide Health and Welfare messages to the public so they can contact
family and friends outside the disaster area. This is an Amateur Service
that has always provided good will to the public. Doing this in front of
the public and even allowing the public to type their short messages into
a computer is a broadcasting violation of your interpretation. Are you sure?
Most of us try to interpret the rules to allow us the most latitude in
_operating_ our stations even bending them a little to allow new modes of
communications.
Hank is right when he talks about unconnected UI frames. I have seen many
Beacon Broadcasts that could be reasonably called broadcasts as defined.
These beacons are generaly of the non amateur _Save our State_ or _Jesus
Saves_ or _Pro Gun_ types of quasi-political slogans. This is the area
that the OOs and ARRL need to address and educate within our ranks.
Lets see ... I have set my Beacon Text to _Cookies are good with Milk_ and
I am digipeating this every seven minutes through four digipeaters in the
area. Who is violating which rules?
Bob
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Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 20:31:13 GMT
From: jangus@skyld.grendel.com (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Subject: NoCal OO goes after Packet BULLetins
In article <1994Nov3.115023.22992@news.csuohio.edu> sww@csuohio.edu writes:
>
> Dave Horsfall (dave@eram.esi.com.au) wrote:
> : In article <1994Oct29.000208.29686@news.csuohio.edu>,
> : sww@csuohio.edu (Steve Wolf) writes:
> :
> : | All bulletins are broadcasting. They are sent in many directions. When be > : | forwarded, the receiving station did not ask for them. The sending station > : | has no expectation that the receiving BBS will read or reply to them.
> :
> : Dunno about your neck of the woods, mate, but here down under the sender
> : presents a brief list of bulletins, and the receiver is invited to
> : accept or reject them...
>
> When being forwarded? Really? How does that work? I can understand the
> user being queried but as the quote says, we are talking about forwarding.
>
As am I. I receive bulletins from my feed station. The first thing it
does is send "SB LOSERS @ ALLCAS < $1234_XYZ" and waits for an "OK" from
me. If I alread have a copy of it (based on the bid and wars fought over
that in a different thread) I send "NO" and it proceeds to try sending me
something else instead.
From the questions, answers and other comments you make about this, it
seems to me that you do not even have a TNC nor have you spent anytime
monitoring a channel. If you have, some of this would be self evident.
Face it Steve, you've stepped on your dick. Now quietly put it back in
your pants, zip up and stop asking others to come by and step on it as
well.
Repeat after me: "It is NOT broadcasting."
Broadcasting as the FCC intended it to be interpratated
was to prevent the amateur radio ops from competing with
the commercial broadcasters. You know, people like KFI,
KNX, WCBS and the likes.
For those of you that must know, I forward lots of messages. All types.
Personal, Bulletins and Traffic. For the others that looks at how many
as a chest-thump, you don't need to know *how* many.
In addition, I forward e-mail in and out of this medium (internet and
UUCP) as well. Lots.
73 es GM from Jeff
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